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DRSOOLERS ( member #85508) posted at 7:47 PM on Friday, August 14th, 2026

I also in the beginning had the PI that I used to do a drive by where he would park in front of the house randomly for an hour. The first time she called and was wondering why he was parked there and when I told her he was making sure her boyfriend didn鈥檛 show up she was crushed. She cried telling me she told me it was over and I had nothing to worry about. I told her I thought I had nothing to worry about before her affair and look where that got me.

Damn, hits so hard. As always, WWTL is damn legend.

@Unhinged

I fail to understand how a BS insisting upon No Contact is in any way, shape or form undignified

To clarify, I'm not saying setting the boundary is undignified. It's absolutely not. I don't want anyone's take away to be that.

What I'm saying is negotiating, pleading, trying to enforce it, or attempting to twist their arm in anyway. That's when it's undignified imo.

Lay out the boundary and if they baulk, show resistance or out right fight you on it (as with the case I made the post)... just get out. That would be my advice.

@foreverlabeled

Apologies, I was responding under the assumption that you knew the full context, as such misinterpreted your position. Therefore a lot of what I said is invalid. Ignore me.

@Morbs

It's my perspective after reading your latest post that we basically agree. Or in the finer points where we differ at the very least understand one another.

Noted on the dirt analogy. Might have been a little strong.

[This message edited by DRSOOLERS at 7:48 PM, Friday, August 14th]

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 GotTheMorbs (original poster member #86894) posted at 8:01 PM on Friday, August 14th, 2026

I'm really pleased with how this discussion has developed. I feel like we've clarified a lot, and I've come away with a more nuanced understanding than I started with. This is exactly the kind of discussion I enjoy鈥攑eople disagreeing, adding context, refining their positions, and sometimes realizing we're not actually as far apart as we thought. Thank you all for being here and contributing! grin 馃挋

I'm not arguing... I'm calibrating

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 8:53 PM on Friday, August 14th, 2026

** Member to Member **

Just a word of caution here. When the WS proudly announces that they are going no contact, don鈥檛 be fooled into thinking that the BS thinks they now have nothing to worry about.

Yes. Rebuilding a marriage takes a lot more than NC, even when NC is truly established.

NC is not recovery from infidelity. It is only a prerequisite - and there are exceptions. Some WSes have recovered while maintaining a professional relationship with their aps - rare, but possible for some WSes.

The idea that a betrayed partner has to plead with their partner for them to do the bare minimum is what I'm trying to push back on.

Where does that come from? That's pushing back on a straw man.

If the BS has to plead, it's not R. I have some vague memories of BSes who reported pleading with their WSes for R, but don't remember any BS being told that pleading is a good way to effect R. In general, the advice from SIers is to walk away if the WS is not remorseful or not meeting R requirements or not a person with whom one wants to spend the rest of one's life, etc., etc., etc.

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Look at what the betrayed spouse is expected to swallow while waiting for this evolution. They are supposed to sit there, completely traumatised, taking deep breaths while their partner slowly detoxes off the affair and decides whether stabbing the person they vowed to love in the back is worth the cheap thrill the affair gives them.

Another gross misunderstanding of R.

BSes are simply not advised to be passive. A BS who tells us they're waiting and watching gets a lot of push back. BSes are usually advised to take control of themselves, set and maintain boundaries, and not let their own recovery depend on what the WS does.

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...the absolute absurdity that it needs to be explained to a grown adult in the first place.

The need for explanation isn't always absurd. For example, the poster wrote that they didn't understand difficulty with NC until they thought about it.

In how many cases does a couple break up with a stated intention of remaining friends? If married friends become aps, what's logically wrong with the idea that they can get back into the friend zone? What's wrong with the idea that co-workers can return to a professional relationship?

We know from experience that continued contact too often leads to a continued or restarted A. That's empirical evidence, not logic, and new BSes need to be told about that experience.

NC is not always a no-brainer. That's why it has to be stated explicitly.

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The unfaithful spouse is free to choose continued contact with the AP.

The betrayed spouse is equally free to say, "Then I am not going to attempt reconciliation with you."

That's it in a nutshell.

Just as M is a contract, R is a contract. I recommend as strongly as possible that the R contract be explicit, but an implicit R contract clearly can work well. I imagine in most cases, the R contract takes form organically over time, as the partners realize they want some change to be effected. Our contract was in writing (bullet points on a spreadsheet) for a couple of years, and eventually we started changing the contract informally as our desires and needs changed over time.

IMO, R won't work - or maybe it's not R - if it's based on the belief that the BS controls the WS. Both partners are relatively free to act in the relationship. Either partner can end R at any time, with or without notice.

R is much more a matter of the BS monitoring themself than monitoring the WS. The BS needs to stay on top of thoughts, the feelings underlying the thoughts, what the BS likes and doesn't like about what's happening in R, The BS needs to take action to resolve the issues that arise from day to day. So does the WS.

Monitoring how well the contract is satisfied guides further actions. R going poorly? Figure out what needs to change, and act accordingly - change by making R good or change by ending R.

Note, however, that the R contract needs observable performance indicators. For example, 'WS keeps BS informed of location, activities, and companions at all times' is observable - the WS either does it or doesn't.

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IOW, R, M, and life require action. It seems, however, that much of the criticism of R is based on the misconception that BSes in R are passive. They're not - a passive BS is very unlikely to succeed in R, unless they become an effective advocate for themself

I get the idea that many of the criticisms of R come from the critics' nightmarish fantasies about what R is. After all, many of the critics never experienced R, and I suspect one has to have tried R to have any 1st hand knowledge of it.

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 9:22 PM on Friday, August 14th, 2026

Step one is to get out of infidelity

Your choices are marriage police or divorce.

Almost no WS voluntarily initiates NC and starts behaving like a devoted partner. Hint, it's because they aren't devoted.

You can't play marriage police forever, but you can't skip it either if you want to attempt R.

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NoThanksForTheMemories ( member #83278) posted at 10:25 PM on Friday, August 14th, 2026

Fully agree that begging for or negotiating with the WS for NC is problematic and shouldn't be done.

The opposite kind of WS has been brought up - one who voluntarily goes NC. Mine certainly claimed to have ended his affair and gone NC after DDay1. In his words, he was "committed to seeing R through". I didn't want to police his devices because I knew that would reinforce my sense of distrust, especially while trying to R, and I had no emotional bandwidth for it. Unfortunately this led to 2.5 months of false R.

Seems to me the BS is damned if they do (police the WS), and damned if they don't (potential for false R). A phased approach, like what GTM mentions might be the best compromise - a period of enforcement and oversight until the WS has cleared their heads is probably best, but IME, it's a terrible thing to ask of BS in the throes of discovery. It's only one step down from the BS having to plead with the WS for NC.

Very few BSes are ready to lose the marriage on the first DDay, unless they've been through it all before, like Want2BHappyAgain. The typical path recommended for R already places a huge, unfair burden on the BS. It's hard to issue ultimatums. It's hard to play phone police. I don't know what the alternative is, I'm just protesting placing one more thing in the BS's to-do column.

I agree with DRS - anything short of the WS clearing their own head and finding their moral center *without any help/enforcement/oversight from the BS* is the only good recipe for R.

WS had a 3 yr EA+PA from 2020-2022, and an EA 10 years ago (different AP). Dday1 Nov 2022. Dday4 Sep 2023. False R for 2.5 months. 30 years together. Divorcing.

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 10:37 PM on Friday, August 14th, 2026

What I'm saying is negotiating, pleading, trying to enforce it, or attempting to twist their arm in anyway. That's when it's undignified imo.

While that may be true, it's easy to sit on the sidelines and berate a BS who's just found out about an affair and call their behavior undignified. IIRC, you haven't been in that situation. And honestly, neither have I. My ex didn't have an affair. It was a few short days of flirting, a few text messages, and one fuck. Going no contact with the OM was easy for her. I didn't have to plead, negotiate or anything else.

What strikes me as uncool (to be civil about it) is opining on a situation with which you have no personal experience. You seem to have no empathy or compassion at all. Intellectual interest and a propensity to debate anything you find interesting doesn't help a BS in a world of pain and confusion. Seriously, man. WTF?

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